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is research from an investigation by Brian Deer for the UK's
Channel 4 Television and The Sunday Times
of London into a campaign linking the MMR
children's vaccine with autism.
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Following
Brian Deer's Channel 4 Dispatches
investigative documentary on November 18
2004, visitors to this website had their
say
MMR:
18 November 2004
Brian,
Congratulations!
What
a great programme. I can remember hearing
dr Wakefield at the press conference and
thinking, "Where does that come
from?, What is going on here?" And
now I know.
Well
Done
You
have possibly saved more lives tonight
than I will save in a lifetime.
James
C.
MMR:
18 November 2004
Congratulations
on a brilliant and devastating Dispatches
programme.
Prof.
John A.
MMR:
18 November 2004
Congratulations
- great programme - I had long wondered
why a doctor (Wakefield) could be so
adamant that the combined MMR vaccine was
the cause of autism, on the basis of no
real evidence. It didn't make sense.
I'm
just amazed that he went unchallenged for
so long. And that Chadwick didn't say
anything.
And,
of course, the real victims are the
children and their families - both those
left with the feeling that they were
responsible for their child's autism, and
those that run the risk of measles, mumps
and rubella - either
now
or in the future - as a consequence.
Vaccination
may be an imperfect science, but at least
it's based on science rather than
colostrum.
Harriet
G.
MMR:
18 November 2004
Mr
Deer,
I
write as a father of two girls (4yrs and
2.5 yrs) who have both, thankfully,
received the MMR jabs on time etc.
I
found your Channel 4 Dispatches programme
extremely interesting and challenging,
spending much time relaying information
to my wife regarding some of the more
outrageous activities of Dr Wakefield.
For those who watched Dispatches the
majority will, I believe, recognise this
sorry debacle to be made up of a self
serving individual and a popular media
all too ready to sensationalise the
latest health scares.
Do
you think the Daily Mail et al will be
running front page stories pointing out
just how flawed this entire debacle has
been? I will be quite disappointed if
this does not warrant some attention in
tomorrow's media.
As a
final note - a quick trawl through the
internet brings up some truly awful sites
purporting to give and informed viewpoint
re MMR/Autism. Quite a number appear to
be American!
Many
thanks for your programme which has
helped me greatly in laying to rest some
minor demons. I am not a person to
respond in this way as a general rule.
Your programme, however, touched issues
very close to me - my childrens health
& wellbeing.
David
B.
MMR:
18 November 2004
Dear
Mr Deer,
I
have already forwarded my thoughts
regarding tonights programme on the
Channel 4 viewer enquiry page.
A
website that is all in favour for Dr
Wakefield is: www.mmrthequestions.com
Mrs
S H.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Dear
Mr. Deer,
I
just watched your Dispatches programme
about MMR. I have never witnessed such
one-sided, biased and badly and
maliciously edited pile of crap in my
life. MMR (and other vaccines) do cause
autism. You know it and we all know it.
Who's paying you for this campaign
against Dr. Wakefield? I can probably
guess. You're fooling no-one and are a
complete disgrace to your profession.
Michael
MMR:
19 November 2004
Dear
Mr Deer
From
a doctor who has seen children die of
measles, and fears that he will again,
and who is sometimes brought near to
tears of frustration by scared parents;
Thank
you!
Richard
MMR:
19 November 2004
Dear
Brian
working
as an Immunisation Facilitator and Health
Visitor for 28 years it was so refreshing
and uplifting to hear the real story
behind the MMR scare. I have lobbyed
parents and professionals alike in the
safety and effectiveness of this vaccine
and to hear that someones economic greed
was essentially behind it, is totally gut
wrenching considering the parents of any
autistic child who want a reason for
their child's disability.
Why
oh Why is this not being shouted from the
rooftops on todays television/news
bulletins as it would have been if the
story had been a negative one???
Jayne
W.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Brian
I
watched Dispatches last night and just
wanted to congratulate you on the work
you have done in exposing Andrew
Wakefield.
I am
fortunate in that my children were
immunised long before the scare broke but
I have a number of friends who were very
apprehensive about possible effects on
their children, and really felt there was
compelling and conflicting advice on both
sides.
I
was amazed in February when the details
of his being funded by lawyers came out,
but watching your programme last night I
was absolutely astounded and frankly
disgusted that this whole issue had been
fabricated to further his own commercial
ambitions.
You
have done a great service to parents all
over the world, and I only hope that your
side of the story receives as much
publicity as the scare did. However, I
suspect that this will not be the case.
Keep
up the good work
Terry
M.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Hello,
I
tuned into Dispatches last night hoping
for a balanced and informative program.
Instead,
I was appalled to witness a prolonged and
vicious attack on Dr Andrew Wakefield, by
a clearly bitter, troubled and pathetic
little man.
Mr
Deer's research findings were deeply
inaccurate, and he made several important
omissions.
No
vaccination has ever been proposed or
developed by Dr Wakefield or his
colleagues at the Royal Free Hospital.
There
were hopes to develop and trial a
compound called transfer factor, as a
potential therapy for the children with
regressive autism and bowel disease.
Mr
Deer was correct in stating that at one
stage it was not possible to detect
measles virus in the tissue samples taken
from the children. This was because the
methods initially utilised were not
sensitive enough. I am surprised that
such an enthusiastic researcher did not
reveal that subsequent methodology has
positively identified vaccine strain
measles virus in the bowel tissue, blood
and cerebral spinal fluid of affected
children.
This
program will have done nothing to clarify
the confusion surrounding the MMR issue.
It will have caused deep distress to Dr
Wakefield and his family, friends and
colleagues, not to mention the thousands
of families in the UK that have children
adversely affected by the MMR vaccine.
I
would like to suggest that if Mr Deer has
any further personal vendettas to air,
that he should do so privately, not
publically, on air, at the tax payers
expense.
Julie
Loch
[Reply: Julie Loch was
a litigant in a lawsuit against MMR
manufacturers. The Andrew Wakefield vaccine patent application is posted
at this site. ]
MMR:
19 November 2004
Fantastic
doc on MMR
Thanks
for clearing that up and reducing my
anxiety of getting my child injected.
Neil
C.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Hi
Brian,
I am
one among those thousands of anxious
parents baffled by the facts and
counterfacts about MMR and your program
really cleared my mind. I felt like i
need to appreciate you for taking pain to
clear this issue and delink the myths
sorrounding MMR. My only worries is that,
eventhough such unscruplous scientists
put millions of children life at risk by
giving false reports, they can walk with
their shiny suits on freely and what is
the law of land doing..??
Keep
the work going and thanks a million.
Regards,
K.T.D.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Dear
Brian Deer
I
was interested in the programme on
Channel 4, and have taped it to study
more closely.
I
have two grandchildren out of four in the
same family who suffer from Autism. Their
mother is a GP and has been extremely
sceptical of the MMR connection right
from the start.
However
what is interesting is the possibility of
the genetic factor in this condition. My
son in law, who, on looking back on the
last 15 years that we have know him, has
shown definite autistic tendencies that
have become much more pronounced over the
past 4 years, making him very difficult
to live with in a family orientated
environment.
Is
there a possibility that the MMR might
just trigger this genetic factor, or is
it better and earlier diagnosis that this
highlighting such a dramatic increase in
the number of cases?
Margaret
C.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Hello
Brian
I am
also a journalist. I write for the
Guardian/Indy/Statesman. I watched
Dispatches last night with special
interest as I am also a mother of a 13
month old and we are at the stage where
we are wondering whether to let her have
the MMR jab. I wondered if I could ask
you a few questions, as a mother, not as
a journalist!
Do
you have a child and if so has she/he had
the MMR? Do you or anyone you know
involved in the making of the programme
have a vested/commercial interest in
vaccinations?
I
ask because this whole thing is just mind
boggling. You listen to one bit of
research and then find out the person
behind it was having their pen pushed.
I
hope you will answer this in the spirit
of transparency you are admirably keen
on.
Thanks
for the programme and your
investigations. I could never do your
job, far too scared!
Annalisa
B.
[Reply: The suggestion
that Brian Deer, or any of the team who
made the documentary, has any vested
interest in, or income from, vaccines is
both wrong and bizarre.]
MMR:
19 November 2004
Hi,
Just
watched your incredibly biased programme
promoting mmr.
Yes
Wakefield's interests are wrong, but how
many hospital patent procedures in case
they provide a cure from which the
hospital can financially benefit? Is this
the norm, or is the Royal Free an
exception? How many doctors supporting
mmr have financial interests? You know as
well as I do that medicine exists and
thrives on vested interest - and very
little science. Show me an independent
double blind placebo trial on the mmr -
not one exists - and such trials are the
very minimum that we parents should
expect from those that we charge with
looking after the health of our children.
How
come you did not interview a
"knowledgeable" parent of an
autistic child - Jackie Fletcher for
instance?
You
grossly understated the incidence of
autism which contradicts the 1:170 quoted
in the Sunday Times.
Michael
H.
[Reply: The
programme-makers invited Jackie Fletcher
to participate. She ignored the request
and has since declined to engage in
debate with Brian Deer. Richard Barr,
longterm solicitor for the plaintiffs in
the MMR litigation, was also invited to
participate. This invitation was
apparently ignored by Mr Barr, but was
quickly followed by the receipt by the
programme-makers of an aggressive warning
letter from Alexander Harris, solicitors.
Parents who claim their child was injured
by MMR were also invited to take part,
but declined. One family agreed to take
part, and were filmed, but withdrew after
the programme-makers explained that
defamatory allegations against a GP and a
nurse, unsupported by any evidence, could
not be lawfully broadcast.]
MMR:
19 November 2004
Hi,
I
teach a course at our medical school
which addresses, among other things, both
medical professionalism and how medical
and scientific information is handled in
the press. As such, I have been following
the MMR controversy in Great Britain with
great interest and would be delighted to
obtain a DVD/video copy of your recent
documentary if such is or eventually will
be available for purchase. Could you let
me know?
Prof
Linda D. S.
[Reply: If there seems
to be a level of interest, we will see
what we can do]
MMR:
20 November 2004
Watched
Dispatches with disgust at your level of
bias. Look at the whole picture.
Do
you know how many children have Crohn's
disease as result of MMR, or epilepsy or
hearing problems. Get the figures! The
DOH don't want to know, the information
might be too damaging to them and their
vaccination policies.
Take
Wakefield out of the picture an start to
look at the REAL issue of healthy
children suffering permenant ill health
after an MMR vaccine.
Take
an example of two very healthy children
for 12 years, whose health began to
deteriorate within weeks of an MR vaccine
at the age of 12. Both twins diagnosed
with Crohns, shortly after vaccine, and
both have suffered dreadfully and had
their lifes and futures destroyed,
suffering pain and surgery over last 10
years. One has had major abdominal
surgery three times in last 10 months and
as result has a risk of not being able to
have children!
These
are my kids! That vaccine destroyed their
lives and mine as a result
Wonder
what your programme would have said if it
had been your child affected by MMR/MR!
Anne
M.
MMR: 22 November 2004
Dear
Mr Deer,
as a
paediatrician, could I just say thank
you? There's a lot I could add, but I'm
sure you'll get the message!
Alan
S.
Consultant
Community Paediatrician,
MMR:
22 November 2004
Brian,
Sadly
I only caught the last 20 mins of your
Despatches. The final sequence was very
striking, where Wakefield, he of the post
publication press conference and video,
has not the mettle to face you and your
questions. The media biter bit.
What
can t be calculated, is how many
avoidable congenital rubella babies and
measles complications/deaths have
occurred or will occur only because
public confidence in MMR was so cynically
undermined.
Well
done and thanks, Brian.
Gary
R.
(GP
and Consultant in Communicable Disease
Control)
MMR:
23 November 2004
Dear
Mr Deer,
Congratulations
on lifting the lid on Wakefield and
giving the public a glimpse of the junk
science, opportunism and
misrepresentation which has characterised
his so-called academic career. Wakefield
is a serial offender, a surgeon with no
scientific training, and it shows. It
needs to be remembered that his previous
claims for the involvement of measles
virus in Crohn's disease were thoroughly
trashed on technical grounds by the MRC,
and that subsequent studies have
definitively shown there is no measles
virus genetic material in Crohn's
tissues. It has never been resolved how
Wakefield could claim to see virus
particles in Crohn's tissues, detect
measles virus with antibodies which were
not specific for measles virus, and
continue to publish papers with images of
measles virus in Crohn's disease when
Nick Chadwick was generating data (
subsequently published) that there was no
measles virus in Crohn's. Wakefield
however never lets facts get in the way,
and his mini-biography at the
International Child Resource Development
Centre still claims that he made the
" Discovery of measles virus in
inflammatory bowel disease". Yeah
right.
In a
clear case of trying to get his
retaliation in first, Wakefield posted a
site on the web last Thursday www.
mmrthequestions.com where he made some
interesting and unsustainable claims. He
stated that Chadwick's PCR was not
sensitive enough to detect measles virus
in autistic children, so he hooked up
with O'Leary in Dublin who allegedly can
detect as low as 2 copies of the virus.
Chadwick could only detect down to 10,000
copies of viral genetic material.
Unfortunately for Wakefield, even though
the Uhlmann paper on measles virus in the
gut of autistic children has flaws and
omissions which make it completely
unreliable, the viral copy number in the
autistic children is stated to be as high
as 300,000 copies. This of course is well
in the range of detection in the PCR Nick
Chadwick used. Explanation?
Desperately
trying to explain why he blatantly
ignored Nick Chadwick's results,
Wakefield also states " In addition,
the negative results obtained by NCs
technique were inconsistent with other
evidence of measles virus in the inflamed
intestinal tissue obtained prior to
publication of the Lancet study in
1998." No details are given but he
is almost certainly referring to some
more junk immunostaining he did on gut
samples from autistic children allegedly
detecting measles virus protein. This has
never been published as a full paper but
appeared at Digestive Diseases Week in
1998 and was published in
Gastroenterology, 1998;174:A430. He has
also been showing images of this
immunostaining all over the world. The
deadline for abstract submission for DDW
is the end of the calendar year so the
abstract would have to be written by Dec
1997. Funnily enough, in this abstract,
Wakefield does not mention that Nick
Chadwick could not detect measles virus
by PCR in gut samples of autistic
children. Given that Chadwick's PCR work
and the immunostaining were almost
certainly done at about the same time, it
is probable that samples from the same
autistic children were included in each
form of analysis. It is virtually
impossible for measles virus to be
detected by immunochemistry, a relatively
insensitive technique, and not be
detected by PCR. So we are left with a
situation where Wakefield just ignores
good data from Nick Chadwick which
undermine his hypothesis and includes
junk data which allegedly supports it.
Unfortunately this is only the tip of the
iceberg.
Anon
MMR:
26 November 2004
Brian
I am
a mum of 2 boys who have both had the MMR
in the middle of the MMR scare.
Thank
you for giving that quack his come
uppance.
I
have always thought that Wakefield was
totally irresponsible in his authorship
and subsequent criticisms of the MMR.
I
just wanted to say that I am grateful
that someone as tenacious as you seem to
be decided to go for it and at last
someone showed us the simple stats of
risk of MMR versus risk of not having it
and reminded us that single vaccines are
unproven. It makes my blood boil that
there are so many intelligent women ( and
it seems to me it is the mothers who are
ultimately deciding) that have been
grossly mislead by this man.
Thanks
for your hard work
Susie
M.
FEATURED
FEEDBACK: THE
DISCOURTEOUS COUNTESS
UK
House of Lords, written answers, 10
January 2005:
Data
Protection Act 1998
"The
Countess of Mar asked Her Majesty's
Government: Whether under the Data
Protection Act 1998 a hospital may
release to a journalist confidential
documents relating to patients, including
clinical findings and descriptions of
medical procedures on children who can be
identified; and, if not, whether it is in
the public interest for the Department of
Health website "MMR the facts"
to include a link to the website of the
Sunday Times journalist Brian Deer.
[HL364]"
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State,
Department of Health (Lord Warner):
"While the Data Protection Act 1998
does not prevent clinicians sharing
information for necessary medical
purposes, the confidential nature of
health data prevents it being disclosed
more widely unless: identifying
information has been removed or
anonymised; the individuals concerned
have given their consent to disclosure;
there is a statutory obligation to
disclose or a court order
requiring disclosure—it is in
response to a court order; there is an
overriding public interest (for example
to protect public health).
"The
"MMR the facts" website has
been put together by the Immunisation
Information team at the Department of
Health. The information team makes
available a range of materials designed
to provide both parents and health
professionals with the latest information
on immunisation. As is common practice,
it provides links to other sources of
information that will help inform the
public interest and debate in the topic.
As noted on the site, the department is
not responsible for the content or
reliability of linked websites, and
linking should not be taken as
endorsement of any kind."
[Who she anyhow?
Apparently, the twice-divorced countess
of Mar was once a British Telecom
supervisor, but now keeps goats. She
inherited her title through the residue
of Scottish feudalism, and evidently
thinks little of using her
soon-to-be-abolished position to squander
public money responding to such ignorant
claptrap. Brian Deer had no previous
dealings with the noble lady, so he
phoned to ask if he could help. Mar's
response was pretty much par for the
course for the anti-vaccine lobby.]
Countess
of Mar: "Lady Mar."
Brian Deer: "Oh,
hello Lady Mar. This is Brian Deer from
The Sunday Times."
Countess of Mar: "I
don't think I wish to speak to you, Mr
Deer." [Hangs up]
Probably get more
sense from the goats.
MMR:
19 November 2004
Dear
Mr Deer,
May
I congratulate you and Channel 4 on
perhaps the finest piece of science
journalism I have read or seen in a
half-century of interest in such things.
I
became totally convinced that MMR is dafe
when I read that six independent
statistical studies had found no evidence
of a connection between MMR and Autism. I
was horrified that not enough had come
from the media to persuade people of the
safety of MMR, particularly as my own
grandson was given three separate jabs.
It
was apparent that Dr Wakefield's nonsense
and the lack of an adequate response from
government, medical profession and media
would cause thousands of illnesses, many
serious, and some deaths. By the same
logic you will save thousands of children
from suffering, and some from death.
Roy
A.
MMR:
3 December 2004
Hi,
I
meant to send this earlier!
I
just to wanted to congratulate you on
your excellent MMR Dispatches programme.
I always thought Wakefield was extremely
suspect. You proved what everyone had
been thinking for years. A brilliant
piece of journalism.
Best
wishes
Rob
M.
MMR:
3 December 2004
Just
a short note to say how impressed I am
with your web site and your journalism
Keep
up the good work
Dr
Sandy E.
MMR:
26 March 2005
Hi,
I came across your website while
researching smz/tmp. I found your site
very informative. As I did some more
searching I was surprised to see a whole
section devoted to Dr. Wakefield and the
MMR fiasco. I should add that I'm the
mother of an 11 year old autistic boy.
While I really don't have the insight as
to what the real story is with the
MMR/autism connection, I personally know
of doctors/lab workers in England and the
US who have had their careers and future
earning abilities threatened if they did
any research that might end up supporting
Dr. Wakefields' finding. Don't you find
this strange and upsetting? If the
connection is so false, then why not have
others try to duplicate the research and
see what the results are?
I
also saw a bit of bashing of Dr.
Bradstreet's practice in Florida. While
he is not my son's doctor, my son has
done many of the DAN (Defeat Autism Now)
biomedical treatments and is making
tremendous improvements as are thousands
of other children. Many of the younger
kids are recovering with the early
treatments especially chelation and
supplements. My son has gone from barely
being able to string together three words
to just on the verge of conversational
today and keeps improving. I don't know
if you are aware but both Dr. Bradstreet
and Dr. Kartzinel have autistic children
so they have a vested interest in finding
treatments that work.
Since
you appear to have geniune concern to
ferreting out the truth, perhaps you'll
want to look into the matter of the
thimerosal -autism connection and what's
happening to a generation of children.
Thanks
for your time
Mary
C, Brick, New Jersey.
CAROL
STOTT: 22 June 2005
That's
the funniest thing I've read for ages...
And v brave of you to take her on in the
first place: she looks like she might be
supported by a team of dildo wielding
she-bikers... I would get some security
sorted if I were you.... Fancy a lunch
soon?
Paul
N, London.
HUGH
FUDENBERG (REPLY): 31 September
2005
I
have just been informed of your article
on myself. I have been on the World
Health Organization's Expert Committee on
Immunology for 20 years, the Chief Editor
of the Journal of Clinical Immunology for
10 years, a member of the Counsel of the
National Institute of Allergy Immunology
and Infectious Diseases for five years,
Chairman of the first Immunology
Department in the US, and visiting
Professor at almost every eminent medical
school in the world, including the Saint
Mary's Medical School, the Royal Free
Hospital Medical School, Middlesex
Hospital and Hammersmith Medical School
(all in London), also at Oxford
University and Cambridge University
Medical Schools. I have honorary PhD
degrees from Universities in France,
Italy, Germany, and China. I am also
listed in Who's Who in the World, you may
also check that for my credentials.
In
terms of TF, I enclose a letter from a
dentist in Illinois, who is the father of
a patient with severe Autism, whose
symptoms appeared within 12 hours of
receiving vaccines containing thimersol.
He failed to improve for six years to
other therapies, and has improved
dramatically from our therapy. I would be
happy to furnish names, and phone
numbers, for other patients who have been
significantly helped, or completely
cured.
You
are correct in stating my charges of some
fifty per hour, but these are donations
to the Neuro Immuno-Therapeutics Research
Foundation, not payments to me.
You
are right in saying that a
neuro-psychiatrist concluded that I have
a disability. However, the tests were
performed in a brightly lit room, and I
have primary severe photophobia,
documented by electrorectinogram at Emory
Medical School I begged that the tests be
carried out in a dark room, but the
neuro-psychiatrist did not believe me,
having never heard of this disorder
before. In the year 2000, there were 38
known patients with this disorder.
You
plainly do not believe that vaccines with
mercury therein can cause problems. I
enclose a summary of an invited review
which was published last month in the
International Journal of Clinical
Investigation, a list of other material
on this or related subjects. I also
enclose a summary of the cover-up of a
meeting concerning thimersol in vaccines,
I also enclose letters sent to science
writers of the NY Times, LA Times, etc.
I
would be happy to respond to any other
charges, but this letter is already too
long, so you may call me at my phone
number listed below.
Failure
to notify me before publishing these
charges plus failure to publish a
retraction to these charges appears to me
to be grounds for legal action. I am
sending a copy of this letter to my
attorney, and will pursue further action
if you do not publish a retraction.
Sincerely
H.H.
Fudenberg, M.D., D.D.G., I.O.M.
THOUGHTFUL
HOUSE: 24
October 2005
As a
parent of an autistic child with severe
inflammatory bowel disease that was
diagnosed at the Royal Free in 1999 I
wonder what your problem is. My son was
also treated by Dr. Krigsman in 2003 when
his entire esophagus was full of lesions.
He is now being treated by the head of
Pediatric Gastroenterology at Childrens
Memorial Hospital part of Northwestern
University here in Chicago who AGREES
with Drs. Wakefield and Krigsman that my
son has an autoimmune disease of his
entire GI tract likely caused by a viral
agent. I have no idea what your problem
is but you are not helping these children
who are very sick. Perhaps you need to
seek some type of psychiatry therapy Mr.
Deer.
Elizabeth
Birt, Chicago.
[Sadly, two months
after this suggestion, Elizabeth Birt was
killed in a road traffic accident]
From
JEANNEDUTCHROSE@aol.com
Date Mon, 24 Nov 2008
Subject autism
FUCK
YOU. YOU ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH. YOU
ARE JUST TRASHING PEOPLE THAT ARE
TOTALLY
DEDICATED TO FIND CURES FOR A HORRIBLE
DISEASE.
PROTECTING
YOUR SELFCENTERED ASS, TRASHING OTHERS
FOR SELFGAIN, OR PROTECTING
YOUR
BUDDIES AT A CORRUPTED PHARMACEUTICAL
INDUSTRY.
WELL,
NOW I'M TRASHING YOU RIGHT BACK. YOU ARE
TRASH.
WE'RE
EVEN.
From
JONNAJV@aol.com
Date Fri, 27 Mar 2009
you
moron. sad, ignorant moron.
From:
biggestcon@mail.ru
Date: Tuesday 17 November 2009
I
happen to be of the view that MMR did not
cause autism.
But
what drivel you wrote about Carol Stott.
http://briandeer.com/mmr/carol-stott.htm
The
details on your website make crystal
clear that you are indeed a most nasty,
unhelpful, inhumane and hypocritical
excuse for a human. With nothing of any
value to contribute to anything. Indeed I
think the words she used about you were
rather understated. You'll be pleased to
note that Ms Stott is on the board of the
AutismFile. And respectfully received at
conferences. Unlike yourshit, oops I
meant yourself.
good
riddance evil timewasting irrelevance.
From:
Payman Adibmehr
Payman.Adibmehr@snclavalin.com
Date;1
December 2009
Hi
Imbecile, go to hell for your incompetent
so called journalism
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